Talking About Becoming Vegan with Vesanto Melina and Brenda Davis

VeggieHeadOnline's Editor interviews two Canadian vegan dietitians about their new book,
"Becoming Vegan."

 

Vesanto Melina,MS, RD and Brenda Davis, RD are Canadian dietitians who have published "Becoming Vegan,"
 a guidebook for adoping a vegan diet. The book is chock full of information, from the vegan history to detailed nutritional data
and special chapters on overweight, eating disorders, athletes, raising vegan babies and children, and a great final chapter
on "vegan diplomacy." VeggieHeadOnline conducted an e-interview with Ms. Melina and Ms. Davis about their new book
and about being a "diplomatic vegan."
 
VeggieHeadOnline: Tell us bit about why the two of you decided to write "Becoming Vegan."
 
Vesanto Melina and Brenda Davis: Our goal in writing "Becoming Vegan" was to help all those who are vegan, or moving in that direction, to do so in excellent health. Widespread acceptance of vegan eating patterns rests on their ability to meet nutritional needs of people at every stage of the life cycle. We are both Registered Dietitians; we are also both vegans. This seemed a fine way for us to make a contribution. For most people, this isn't the dietary pattern they grew up on, so we could help them avoid the possible pitfalls, and make the dietary shift a real pleasure. We also have a great time writing together. Both of us like zeroing in on important issues, finding answers to questions that arise, and then making it fun to read.

We find vegan diets to be nutritionally superior to omnivorous diets, with great potential to protect people from disease. Plus it's the most ecologically sustainable and compassionate of all dietary patterns. "Becoming Vegan" provides people with reliable, comprehensive information, including an almost fool-proof food guide.

VHO: How well was your previous book, "Becoming Vegetarian," received?

VM and BD: "Becoming Vegetarian" was extraordinarily well received by both the medical and lay communities. Indeed, we believe it went a long way towards bridging the gap between the two groups. "Becoming Vegetarian" has sold close to 100,000 copies and is one of the most highly recommended books on vegetarian nutrition, and is now in nine countries (in North and South America and Europe), and 3 languages. We weren't expecting "Becoming Vegan" to catch on so quickly, however its release came at a time of immense interest in this topic. As a result, this book is similarly welcomed by dietitians and other health professionals, who appreciate the well-researched information.

VHO: What kind of person did you write this book for?

VM and BD: Our target audience for "Becoming Vegan" is everyone who consumes a plant-based diet, or is interested in shifting towards such an eating pattern. It definitely includes those who are already near-vegan or vegan, although this is not well reflected by the title. For those who are vegan, it is a tool for fine-tuning the diet, providing detailed answers to many of our toughest nutrition questions. Also, many of our readers are health professionals.

VHO: Are you a vegans yourselves? What made you decide to go vegan?

Brenda: Yes. I became vegan because I simply cannot justify causing torment, injury and death to animals when such an amazing variety of delicious and nourishing plant foods are available to me. I feel so fortunate to have such an abundance of wonderful foods, as I know there are many people in the world who have little choice in what they consume.

Vesanto: I have been vegetarian since 1978, and vegan since 1993. Over the years, I gradually replaced more and more animal products with plant foods, and found ways to make a plant-based eating "healthy, delicious and easy." It's real adventure, pioneering how to do this well, and to find foods, and other consumer goods, that don't exploit animals and the planet. In my experience, most people are happy to be compassionate consumers when these options are easy for them. So I'd like to help make it easy. To do so, I have to figure out each step of the way.

VHO: As vegan Registered Dietitians, do you often meet colleagues, among other RDs and other health care professionals, who question your choice, or question the nutritional soundness of your diet?

Brenda: While there are many health professionals who question the nutritional soundness of a vegan diet, I meet them only occasionally. Most health professionals I come contact are overwhelmingly positive towards vegetarian and vegan eating patterns. I would challenge those individuals who question the nutritional soundness of vegetarian and vegan diets to debate a dietitian or other health professional with expertise in vegetarian nutrition.
 
Vesanto: When health professionals question us, their questions generally arise from a tremendous interest in the topic, not from disbelief. I was invited to be a coordinator for the vegetarian section of the new Manual of Clinical Dietetics (2000), used by dietitians throughout the United States and Canada. Brenda and I are regularly invited to speak to large groups of registered dietitians and other health professionals. We have presented on the subject of vegetarian nutrition to conferences of physicians, dentists, nurses, and teachers.

VHO: Has that reaction changed in the past 10 years or so, as vegetarianism and veganism has become more widespread, and certainly in the past few years after many food-borne pathogen outbreaks such as E.coli, listeria, salmonella and mad cow disease?

Brenda: Most definitely. When I was in university over 20 years ago, vegetarian diets were considered risky, and downright dangerous for infants and children. Today they are considered not only safe and adequate, but protective, even in the eyes of conservative nutrition authorities such as the American Dietetic Association.

Vesanto: It helps that we now have solid science showing that people can thrive on vegetarian, including vegan, diets at any age. The proven benefits in preventing chronic disease such as cancer and heart disease, and even in reversing heart disease, just add to the appreciation of these dietary patterns.

VHO: Are you finding more colleagues who share your food philosophy?

VM and BD: Yes, the numbers are steadily climbing.

VHO: It seems difficult to me to separate vegetarianism and veganism from its politics. For example, the fact that my diet is healthier for me is only a fringe benefit. I made the switch after discovering in myself a profound connection with animals and the Earth. But your careers are in nutrition, and it has been my experience that people tend to react positively to vegetarian "propaganda" when it focuses more on the health aspect and less on the animal rights aspect. I found your book to do minimal moralizing and the very detailed and thorough chapters on nutrition clearly argued the nutritional side superbly. However, there are passages in the book that subtly but unequivocally discuss the compassionate and political implications. So perhaps the social and political side of vegetarianism can't be denied. What role do you see it playing in the "vegetarian/vegan movement?"

VM and BD: People are interested in their own health - in preventing illness, in curing disease, and in attaining an excellent state of physical and mental health. They recognize the impact that food choices can have. Yet often we are so far removed from the sources of our food, that we fail to recognize how serious the consequences of our choices can be, in terms of environmental damage, or exploitation.

We write primarily about nutrition, because that is our expertise. At the same time, we recognize the connection between all things. The reality is that if we destroy the planet in the process of raising and growing food, we destroy ourselves. Intensive animal agriculture is not sustainable. Equally important, it involves tremendous cruelty to animals. People are initially drawn towards plant-based diets for a variety of reasons: ecology, ethics, compassion, health. Yet with time, we understand that it makes sense from any perspective.

VHO: How do you think these recent pathogen outbreaks will affect vegetarianism in the short run? Do you see it making people think more about their food in serious and thoughtful ways, especially folks on the our side of the world, being told every day that their meat supply is safe? What about Europe, do you see this decline in meat consumption and interest in vegetarianism as something with staying power? Or once the meat supply is deemed safe again, do you think people will go back to their steaks? Do you see more food borne pathogens appearing? Is this just the tip of the iceberg?

VM and BD: Recent pathogen outbreaks, from meat consumption, have brought a surge of interest in vegetarian foods; this is clearly reflected in sales of veggie burgers and soyfoods. New converts discover how tasty the veggie products are, how simple to prepare, and readily available at local supermarkets. There has already been a shift in attitude among North Americans and Europeans that will not be reversed.
 
Once people know how delicious vegetarian food can be, their willingness to consider the ecological, ethical and health arguments increases significantly. We expect that over time this will have lasting consequences for the vegetarian movement.

As far as pathogen problems, yes, this does appear to be just the tip of the iceberg. Immense farming operations are breeding-grounds for organisms such as the fatal E coli 157, in the lagoons of manure that are produced. If these industries are forced to pay for the health and environmental damage they cause, they'll go out of business. Slaughterhouse conditions also support pathogen growth, and resulting food-borne illness. The solutions, such as "irradiation", or overcooking meats until they become carcinogenic, are not welcomed by consumers.

VHO: What about the long-term reality of increased numbers of those adapting to a vegetarian and vegan diet? Do you have any predictions about the future? What will it take for people to make the change?

VM and BD: We predict that vegetarian and vegan diets will become the norm - eventually. The motivation for change comes from accepting responsibility for our choices. Once people make the connection between food choices, ecological devastation and animal cruelty, their choice will be simple.

VHO: What kind of reaction have you had to "Becoming Vegan"? Do you think there are more vegetarians and vegans per capita in Canada than the US, or is the meat & potato cowboy tradition as pervasive there?

VM and BD: We have had very positive feedback about "Becoming Vegan" from dietitians, physicians, vegans and non-vegetarians. Both of us are invited to speak all over the US and Canada, and we find that overall, the proportion of vegetarians and vegans appears to be the same in both countries. Both countries have a powerful cowboy culture.

VHO: Do you plan on future book projects? Are you writing anything now?

Brenda: I recently completed a book on milk allergy and intolerance (I did the nutrition section and others did the recipes). It should be out in a couple of months. I am beginning a book on diabetes (will provide solid guidelines and recipes) and am also beginning a book on the optimal diet with a physician colleague, Dr. Thomas Barnard.

Vesanto: I co-wrote a book on nutrition and cancer, with Dr. Neal Barnard and input from other dietitians, that will be published by John Wiley and Sons, this year. I am just beginning a book on vegetarian nutrition for children. And "Cooking Vegetarian" (Wiley) which I did in 1998 with chef Joseph Forest, is actually a book of vegan recipes. Our books can be seen at http://www.nutrispeak.com/books.htm

VHO: I was personally very interested in reading "Becoming Vegan" because I myself have been kicking around the idea of going vegan, and after reading it, I was convinced that it was time. What kind of advice do you have for people who are ready to go the next step from a lacto-ovo to a vegan?

VM and BD: Our advice to someone who is ready to take the next step from a lacto-ovo diet is to be patient with yourself. Instead of beating yourself up over what you haven't yet done, celebrate what you have - and keep moving in the right direction. Take every opportunity to connect with others who share you commitment. Read books, watch videos, check out great vegan websites, volunteer, go to vegan potlucks, join local vegetarian organizations, take cooking classes and attend conferences - Summerfest (North American Vegetarian Society) is a great place to start. Hope to see you there!

 

For more information about "Becoming Vegan" and its authors, visit www.nutrispeak.com